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TiVo Buying Guide - Which TiVo Do you Need?
TiVo / DVR Buying Guide
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If you are new to TiVo, or even if you are not, choosing the right
unit is really quite straightforward. There are a few basic choices
and these guidelines should help you purchase the correct unit.
This guide will help you answer the following questions (among
others):
Which TiVo is right for me? What are the differences between
the various TiVo models?
Once I decide what model I want, how many hours should I get?
Choosing the Right Model: The Basic Options
| Standalone Series2 TiVo (Standard Definition--SD) |
TCD240040
TCD24004A
TCD240080
TCD24008A
TCD540040
TCD540080
TCD540140
T800
T2500 |
TiVo
Humax |
No |
No |
4 |
Yes |
No |
No |
| Standalone Series2 TiVo (SD) |
TCD649080
TCD649180 |
TiVo |
No |
No |
4 |
Yes |
Yes* |
No |
| Standalone Series2 TiVo (SD) |
DVR-810H
DVR-57H |
Pioneer |
No |
Recorder |
4 |
Yes |
No |
Yes |
| Standalone Series2 TiVo (SD) |
DRT400
DRT800
TS-RX20
TS-RX60 |
Humax
Toshiba |
No |
Recorder |
4 |
Yes |
No |
Humax-No
Toshiba-Yes |
| Standalone Series2 TiVo (SD) |
SD-H400 |
Toshiba |
No |
Player |
4 |
Yes |
No |
Yes |
| DIRECTV DVR with TiVo (SD) |
HDVR2
SD-DVR40
SD-DVR80
SD-DVR120 DVR39
DVR40
DVR80
4120R
4040R
DSR7000
DSR704
DSR708
R10
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Hughes
RCA
Samsung
Philips
DIRECTV
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Yes |
No |
1 |
No |
Yes |
No |
| DIRECTV DVR with TiVo (High Definition--HD) |
HR10-250 |
DIRECTV |
Yes |
No |
1 |
No |
Yes |
No |
| Standalone Series3 TiVo (HD) |
TCD648250 |
TiVo |
No |
No |
1 (HD)
4 (SD) |
Yes |
Yes |
No |
| Standalone TiVo HD and TiVo HD XL |
TCD652160
TCD658000 |
TiVo |
No |
No |
1 (HD)
4 (SD) |
Yes |
Yes |
No |
| TiVo Premiere and TiVo Premiere XL |
TCD746320
TCD748000 |
TiVo |
No |
No |
1 (HD)
4 (SD) |
Yes |
Yes |
No |
| TiVo Premiere Elite |
TCD758250 |
TiVo |
No |
No |
1 (HD)
1 (SD) |
Yes |
Four Tuners |
No |
*Does not support recording from two digital cable or satellite channels at
once. Supports recording from cable and satellite sources only;
does not support recording from over-the-air antenna.
Choosing the Right Model: Content Source
The initial questions that must be answered when choosing a DVR
generally, or TiVo specifically are: (a) would you like (or want
to spend the money to have) your DVR record in High Definition (HD)
and/or Standard Definition (SD), and (b) are you planning to connect
the DVR to cable, satellite and/or an off-air antenna? For assistance,
see the chart below.
DVR MODELS
| HD and SD |
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| SD Only |
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See Comparison Guide, below. |
All off-air signals are digital (HD), so a
TiVo-compatible digital converter box is required along with
a compatible TiVo:
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DIRECTV HR10-250 |
All off-air signals are digital (HD), so a
TiVo-compatible digital converter box is required along with
a compatible TiVo:
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DVR Features and Availability
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Number of Tuners |
The ability to record one (or more) channel while watching
another channel. The ability to record two (or more) shows
at the same time, on different channels. |
All standard definition TiVo DVRs for cable,
with the exception of the TCD649080/TCD649180 have only a
single tuner.
All High Definition TiVo DVRs for cable (TCD648250, TCD652160,
TCD658000, TCD746320 and TCD748000) offer dual tuners. The
TCD758250--the TiVo Premiere Elite--is a four-tuner DVR.
The TCD649080/180 (Dual-Tuner) do not support recording from
two digital cable or satellite channels at once. You can,
however, record one digital station and one analog (non-scrambled)
channel or two analog (non-scrambled) channels. You cannot
record off-air signals with the TCD649080/180.
The TCD648250 (Series3), TCD652160/658000 (TiVo HD) and TCD746320/TCD758000
(TiVo Premiere/XL) will record two off air stations or two
cable stations. To record two HD stations or two digital stations,
you would need a CableCARD (or two cards, in the case of the
TCD648250), available from your cable company.
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ALL DIRECTV DVRs offer this feature.
The standard definition DIRECTV
TiVo DVRs will record two shows at once provided there
are two lines from the satellite connected to the back of
the DVR.
The DIRECTV THR22 HD DVR will also record two shows at once
and can do so with either two lines from a non-SWM system,
or one line from a SWM.
DIRECTV's own line of DVRs--the HR20, HR21, HR22, HR23 and
HR24--all can record two
shows simultaneously with either two lines from a non-SWM
system, or one line from a SWM.
The DIRECTV Home Media Center HR34
DVR has the ability to record 5 channels simultaneously, provided
it is connected to a SWM network. |
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Picture Quality |
The degradation, if any, of the
picture quality when connecting a cable box/satellite box
to a TiVo. |
This is a factor only if you are using a standard definition
TiVo with cable or antenna.
Series 2 Standalone TiVos: No matter what the input source
(whether digital cable, analog cable, digital satellite or
over-the-air antenna), the TiVo will receive an analog signal
and then convert that signal into digital. When converting
from analog to digital, you will have the ability to tell
the TiVo how much to compress the picture. With standalone
TiVos, there are FOUR recording options, and each one offers
a progressively better picture. Although the highest recording
quality generally looks pretty close to the picture quality
you'll see without a TiVo, there will be some (although in
most cases not a noticeable) difference between the TiVo's
quality and the quality without the TiVo.
Series 3/4 Standalone TiVo, TiVo HD and TiVo Premiere: These
units, like the DIRECTV DVRs, will record a digital signal
provided that it is being fed a digital signal (via an off
air antenna feeding HD, or via a signal from your cable company).
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This is a factor only if you use a standard definition, standalone
TiVo with a separate DIRECTV receiver. If you are using any
DIRECTV DVR (which has the DVR functionality and a DIRECTV
access card in one unit), then this is not a factor, as the
unit records the digital DIRECTV signal directly to the DVR's
hard drive.
The same is true for the entire line of DIRECTV DVRs, with
or without the TiVo operating system.
We are often asked whether the picture quality on two different
DIRECTV DVRs (eg. the HR24 vs the HR34 or the HR21 Pro vs
the HR24) are different. As a general rule, the answer is
no. DIRECTV sends its signal through the air digitally (as
a series of 0s and 1s). That digital signal is written to
the hard drive and then is digitally transmitted to your TV
(if you use HDMI). For the vast majority of users, picture
quality should not be a factor when deciding between two different
DVR models from DIRECTV.
In addition, all new DIRECTV DVR models now can process 1080p
and 3D signals.
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Networkability |
Ability to program a DVR from the web or a mobile device.
Ability to download/stream Internet content to your DVR. Ability
to share content between/among DVRs in your home. Ability
to watch content from a home computer on your DVR. |
The TiVo Premiere
Series 4 line of DVRs (TiVo Premiere, TiVo Premiere XL and
TiVo Premiere Elite) have the broadest networking features.
These units will allow you to stream content from Netflix,
Amazon (but not free Amazon Prime content), Hulu, Hulu Plus,
You Tube, Blockbuster On Demand and many other sources.
The older Series3 TiVo DVRs (Original Series3 TCD648250/TCD648250B,
TiVoHD TCD652160, and TiVoHD XL TCD658000) can stream most
of the same content as the TiVo Premiere line, but cannot
get Hulu Plus.
In addition, subject to copyright restrictions, Series 3
and Series 4 TiVo DVRs allow you to move digital files from
your TiVo to a PC or Mac using the free TiVo Desktop software.
By upgrading to the TiVo Desktop Plus software, you can convert
the files into formats that can be loaded onto mobile devices
(iPhone, iPad, etc.).
Finally, TiVo's iPad, iPhone and Android App will work on
all HD TiVos that are networked, but it will not work on any
standard definition (Series1 / Series2) TiVo.
Series2 units can also be networked and, like the HD TiVos,
will get program guide data via the Internet. The Series2
units cannot get Netflix or Hulu, but can get Amazon and Blockbuster
On Demand (in standard definition, of course). Series2 units,
along with the HD TiVos, can access streaming music services
and your own music (and photo) library from a PC/Mac.
See our TiVo Network help
pages for information on needed components.
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DIRECTV's HD
DVRs (HR20, HR21, HR22, HR23, HR24, HR34, HR21 Pro) can
all be connected to the Internet and can get some content
that way, but not nearly the same content as the HD TiVo.
For example, DIRECTV has large On Demand library and the DIRECTV
HD DVRs (HR20, HR21, HR22, HR23, HR24, HR34, HR21 Pro) all
have access to that content when connected to the Internet,
but these DVRs cannot access the third-party content streaming
companies' content (such as Netflix, Hulu, Amazon).
The THR22 TiVo DVR cannot access the online content from
DIRECTV even when connected to the Internet.
All HD DVRs from DIRECTV can be networked using a hard-wire
Ethernet cable from a router or through a SWM
network. Connecting your DVRs through a SWM network is
definitely the preferable way of networking, because it allows
you to take advantage of DIRECTV's
Whole Home DVR service.
The standard definition TiVo DVRs with DIRECTV (Directivo
units) have no networking capability out of the box, although
there is a software product called PTVNet
for standard definition DIRECTV TiVos that will open up
networking ports on standard def DIRECTV DVRs.
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Archiving content to PCs |
Ability to move recordings from
your TiVo to a PC or Mac, in order to watch, edit and/or burn to DVD |
A feature available with all Series 2 and
HD standalone units, "TiVo to Go," permits standalone
units to move content from the TiVo to a PC. For more information,
please visit TiVo's website.
The ability to move content is always subject to copyright
restrictions put in place by the content provider. Some shows
may be coded to prevent transfers to a PC.
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Moving digital files from a DIRECTV DVR to a PC is not currently
possible. However, DIRECTV DVR users can record programming
in real time using a video capture card connected to a PC.
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Saving programs to DVD |
Ability to archive shows from a
TiVo to a DVD, without a PC |
Saving to DVD is possible with the standalone TiVos with
built-in DVD recorders. Alternatively, standalone DVD recorders
can be connected to standalone TiVos for DVD archiving (in
real time). For more information, see http://www.weaknees.com/burner_faq.php.
There are no HD units that also have DVD burners, nor do we expect any to be produced. |
DIRECTV DVRs do not come with built-in DVD
recorders, but it is possible to connect a standalone
recorder to a DIRECTV DVR to record shows in real time
(just as you would tape a program to VCR from a TiVo). |
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Cost of Service |
Once you purchase the hardware, how much the actual TiVo
/ DVR service will cost |
Owners of standalone TiVos without the TiVo
Basic option must purchase the TiVo service from TiVo.
The fees vary depending on the model of receiver and whether
the service is monthly or product lifetime service. TiVo Premiere,
TiVo Premiere XL and TiVo Premiere Elite monthly service costs
more than service for earlier-generation DVRs. If you have
multiple TiVos in your home, each one must have service, but
there is a discount for service on standalone TiVo DVRs after
the first. |
DIRECTV DVR owners must subscribe to the DVR service from
DIRECTV. The DVR servic costs $7 per month and covers all
TiVos and/or DVRs on the same DIRECTV account. The DIRECTV
HD TiVo THR22 ALSO incurs a $5/mo charge for the TiVo service,
which covers all THR22s in your house. |
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Phone Line |
Need to have the TiVo connected
to a phone line |
Standalone units must be connected
to either a phone line or a broadband computer network to
function. All television guide data comes from the phone line
or broadband connection. |
DIRECTV DVRs without TiVo can be connected via broadband
or phone. While it is strongly recommended that they be connected
in some way (phone or network), it is not required.
The THR22 HD TiVo can also be connected with either phone
or through a broadband network.
Standard definition DIRECTV TiVo DVRs must be connected to
a phone line when set up initially, and should
be connected thereafter. Technically, if these units are not
connected to a phone line after initial setup, they will function,
but nag screens will pop up reminding the user to dial in.
Units that do not dial in will not get software updates. All
television guide data comes from the satellite. |
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Changing Channels |
Means by which the TiVo communicates
with the cable box/satellite box |
Standalone Series 2 TiVos that are connected to a cable
box generally use an infrared "blaster" cable, which
sends the remote control frequencies to the cable box. Using
these cables generally results in a slight (1-2 second) delay
when changing channels. Some cable boxes can use a direct
serial cable connection, which is much faster. For more information,
see our FAQ entry here: http://www.weaknees.com/stb.php.
If you have a standalone TiVo and DIRECTV, then only certain
DIRECTV receivers are compatible with the serial connection.
HD Standalone TiVos cannot use a cable box at all. They must use CableCARDs for encrypted cable shows. |
DIRECTV DVRs contain the satellite
receiver and TiVo in one box. Changing channels requires no
additional cabling. It is fast and easy. |
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Compatibility with cable boxes and
satellite boxes |
TiVo's ability to control a specific
cable box or satellite box |
Almost all cable boxes and satellite boxes are compatible
with TiVo. However, some are not. For a complete listing,
see the FAQ entry here.
Again, no HD TiVos can use a cable box - see above. |
Because the DVR and DIRECTV receiver are in one box, compatibility
is not an issue. |
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Compatibility with cable/satellite
systems |
TiVo's ability to work with your
satellite/cable provider |
Standalone TiVos work with cable providers throughout the
US, some US territories and Canada. Standalone Series 2 TiVos
are also compatible with DIRECTV and DISH Network, although
you should refer to the link above for compatibility with
specific boxes.
HD TiVos work with cable, Verizon FiOS and off-air antenna
only. HD TiVos do not work with U-Verse. |
DIRECTV DVRs work only with DIRECTV. However, DIRECTV's HD
DVRs will also receive signals from an off-air antenna, although
most require an additional piece of equipment, the AM21. |
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Compatibility with high definition |
TiVo's ability to record and display
high definition signals |
Standalone Series 2 TiVos do not work with high definition.
The standalone Series 3 TiVo, TiVo HD and TiVo Premiere line
of TiVos do work with high definition. |
DIRECTV has a line of DVRs that receive,
record and display HD. That line started with the HR20, through
the HR24. All of the HR20-HR24 DVRs have two tuners. The HR34
has 5. These DVRs lack the TiVo operating system and use DIRECTV's
own internally-developed OS.
The THR22 is DIRECTV's HD TiVo.
The older HR10-250 HD TiVo no longer receives HD signals
from the satellite, but still can pull in HD from an off-air
tuner.
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NOTES from Chart Above
1. For cable systems, we consider only at DVRs made by TiVo. DVRs
provided by cable companies vary tremendously from city to city
(and cable company to cable company), so it's impossible to analyze
those features. As a general rule, our customers tend to dislike
generic cable company DVRs and prefer the feature-rich TiVo-brand.
2. For DIRECTV, we consider both the line of HD DVRs from DIRECTV
(HR2X, HR3X, etc.) as well as DIRECTV DVRs with TiVo.
Buying Advice: Which TiVo should you Buy?
This is a tough question, depending in large part on the answer
to the questions above (DIRECTV vs cable? Standard vs High Definition?).
Here is a summary of your options:
| Cable |
Your main choices are: Dual-tuner TiVo without a DVD recorder,
or a Humax TiVo with a DVD recorder (see http://www.weaknees.com/burner_faq.php).
We also have a supply of refurbished Series 1 and Series2 units
with pre-paid product lifetime
TiVo service. In a nutshell, all units are eligible for
lifetime service. The burner units do a great job burning DVDs
for viewing elsewhere (laptop, other TV, sending to friends).
However, they do not have dual tuners. |
The TiVo Premiere and TiVo Premiere XL units have dual-tuners
and work with cable, FiOS and off-air antenna signals. The
XL is THX certified and comes with a learning, backlit remote.
Given the premium charged for the XL, we typically recommend
the standard Premiere with a drive upgrade if you are looking
for a two-tuner unit.
The TiVo Premiere Elite is a terrific unit that records up
to 4 shows simultaneously. It works with digital cable only. |
| DIRECTV |
Just about any standard definition
DIRECTV DVR will work equally well. WeaKnees has units
in stock. If you do not have a high definition TV, then these
standard def TiVos are a great choice.
The other option is to get an HD DVR from DIRECTV, which
will also play back in standard definition. However, if you
activate an HD DVR, DIRECTV will require you to pay for the
HD service. If you get an HD TiVo (THR22), you'll also have
to pay $5/mo for the TiVo service--a charge that is not incurred
with the standard definition DIRECTV TiVo DVRs.
We find the standard definition DIRECTV TiVos still to be
a compelling choice for customers who do not expect to move
to HD in the near future.
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DIRECTV has a line of DVRs that receive, record and display
HD. That line started with the HR20, through the HR24. All
of the HR20-HR24 DVRs have two tuners. The HR34 has 5. These
DVRs lack the TiVo operating system and use DIRECTV's own
internally-developed OS.
The THR22 is DIRECTV's HD TiVo.
The older HR10-250 HD TiVo no longer receives HD signals
from the satellite, but still can pull in HD from an off-air
tuner.
We recommend the DIRECTV HD DVR (non-TiVo) for customers
who want cutting-edge DIRECTV technology and do not mind living
without the TiVo operating system. The 5-tuner HR34 is a terrific
choice, but requires a SWM system.
For those who truly love the TiVo operating system and its
unique features (Wishlists, Suggestions, Swivel Search, Kids
Zone, etc.), we recommend the THR22.
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Buying Advice: How much capacity do you need?
We really don't have much useful advice here, as capacity is hugely
dependent on your own viewing habits. Here are some things to consider:
- How many people will be recording shows on your TiVo?
- Will you be recording a good deal of high-action shows (sports,
cartoons), which tend to take up more space?
- If you will be purchasing a standalone TiVo, will you be connecting
it to a large-screen television (if so, you will likely need to
record programming at a higher recording quality, which will take
up more recording space)?
- Do you expect to use your TiVo to store movies, childrens'
programming or other shows (if so, you might prefer more recording
capacity)?
If purchasing a standalone non-HD TiVo, keep in mind that all capacity
quotes (for example, 40 hours, 80 hours, 180 hours) are at Basic
quality, which is the lowest recording quality. At the highest quality
(Best quality), you will get about 1/3-1/4 as many hours.
If purchasing a DIRECTV DVR, your actual hours will depend on what
you are recording, but you should expect to yield about 75%-90%
of the total hours quoted. Where we quote a range of HD hours (eg.
280HD-480HD hours, you should expect about 80% of the high-end of
the range.
When choosing capacity, keep in mind that if you purchase a unit
that WeaKnees has upgraded, it is fairly cumbersome to add hours
down to those units down the road. Thus, you might prefer to err
on the side of more capacity.
*DirecTV DVRs and Series3 TiVos (in HD) record digital broadcast streams and all compression is determined by the broadcaster, so hours stated are estimates assuming average compression. Standard Definition TiVo DVR and TiVo Upgrade Kit capacities are stated at Basic Quality. All capacities may vary due to hard drive models used. Capacities are guaranteed to be within 5% larger or smaller of stated size. Email with any questions. 
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